


I think I’m probably alone in my reaction to what happened to Silverthorn…



Roja, your theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer is apparently absolutely correct! It explains everything! Did Mark confirm that you are right with this theory?I wanted to share my theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer in such a short time
As for me, I watched TGFT for the first time not so many years ago and I didn't really think about that skill/ability.I don’t know if this was something that has always been obvious to other fans of the show
Your teenage emotions you're writing about are quite typical so I certainly don't make fun of you for that.Obviously I can now laugh about my intense teenage emotions
Thank you very much for that! It would be very interesting to know about these locations. Some true fans could even go to that pond and swim there if they are not afraid of Australian reptiles!I actually already asked Mark about those exact two filming locations
I had very similar feelings when the last episode of Spellbinder was broadcast(ed?). My friends and I enjoyed this show so much that we felt a strong connection with the story and the characters. It became a part of our lives. When the show came to its end, we felt some kind of devastation. We were happy however that Katrina saved the powersuit scheme into a computer so we hoped that someone would make that powersuit in our world. This by the way is very interesting because I personally have had a logical turn of mind and even back then didn't really believe in parallel worlds (to be more specific, I thought then and I think today that they could really exist - modern cosmology allows it - but it was obvious that travel between them is either impossible or virtually impossible). So, on the one hand, I was more or less realistic about parallel worlds, and on the other hand, I somehow believed that technologies from the other world somehow and somewhere exist or should exist. Today I find it funny, of course. It was something like doublethink, I'd say (but not in terms of G. Orwell).did anyone else on this thread also feel sad when the series ended?
Mark’s words to me were “Your perceptions of GFT are extraordinary”, so yeah, I reckon my theory was correct!!Roja, your theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer is apparently absolutely correct! It explains everything! Did Mark confirm that you are right with this theory?
Mark commented:I thought it was interesting what Ashka said about "the only opportunities you get in life are the ones you make for yourself".
Because I actually agreed with that line! That was the case in my own life too because I didn't have an easy start in life either, BUT, I don't buy it as a justification for Ashka's actions.
Because once Ashka got the power she fought so hard to get, she had a choice of whether to use that power to do good or to do bad.
She could have used her position as a Spellbinder to help other people who were disadvantaged, as she once was, but instead she hurt innocent people, like the toymaker who she zapped and then banished, and put into a position where HE had no-one and had to fight to survive! And it was this lack of empathy for others that stopped me feeling sympathy for Ashka, although as I have said before, she was a fantastic and very entertaining villain.
You left Ashka's ending a bit ambiguous. Her punishment was similar to the one you gave Silverthorn and Draco in TE, and it sounded as if there was possibly a dinosaur on the horizon in the world where Ashka was left (perhaps this was a world in which dinosaurs never became extinct and lived alongside humans?) but how bad Ashka's fate was was left up to the viewer's imagination.
I was surprised by how calmly Ashka reacted to being stranded because I would have expected her to be more distressed, as Silverthorn was when Alana stranded him with the dinosaurs. I guess the difference was that in Silverthorn's situation, he was told where he was, and he immediately knew that he was screwed forever, which was why he was freaking out and screaming, whereas Ashka's reaction to her predicament was more "I don't know what's out there but I will face it and deal with it."
Also, Ashka had that colder edge to her character than she used to her advantage, and as I said previously, she didn't seem to feel fear. I'm no psychologist but I strongly suspect she was a psychopath.
Silverthorn and Sharak were sociopaths who also lacked empathy and didn't have a conscience, but they showed more emotion than Ashka.
When Sun pretended he'd blown himself up, Sharak hesitated from going into the room and visibly flinched at the sight of the "body" , but Ashka just smirked and said cheerfully "You're going to have to tell his sister". I found her reaction in that scene chilling and I knew then, without a doubt, that there was something seriously wrong with her.
And I responded:Your comments about Silverthorn (the sociopath) and Ashka (the psychopath) are spot on. I'm certain that if Silverthorn and Ashka were ever to come up against each other, Silverthorn would lose.
When I have some more time (I still haven’t answered Andrew’s other questions yet!!Silverthorn vs Ashka? Oooooh, now there's a crossover I'd be
interested to see!But I'm not sure who would win. I think it could
go either way depending on the circumstances- whose world they were
in, what weapons and resources they had available, etc.
Silverthorn would have several advantages over Ashka in that he is
physically bigger and stronger, has superior weaponry (Ashka's power
suit is quite a weapon, but no match for a laser gun that can blast
holes through brick walls) and comes from a world with advanced
technology. So if it was a battle of force I don't think Ashka would
stand a chance against him...
HOWEVER, I think if it came down to a battle of wits and strategy, I
think Ashka would have the edge!
Although Silverthorn is highly intelligent and cunning, he did have
some weaknesses and inadvertently ended up sabotaging himself. I have
previously written about how Ashka was fearless and pushed her luck,
but having said that, when Ashka did take risks, they usually paid
off, so she was being very controlled, deliberate and calculated. But
Silverthorn was more hot-headed and impulsive and often took gambles
in the heat of the moment that were not wise decisions.
I think that like a lot of sociopaths, he failed to consider the
longer-term consequences of his actions and got an adrenaline buzz out
of playing what he called "the game". He was so used to charming
people and lying constantly, I think he actually started to fall for
his own charm and believe his own bluster! Because in Tomorrow's End
he underestimated his enemies and became quite blasé, bragging to
Macro (who rightly warned Silverthorn to be careful and not to trust
Draco) how he knew Draco was planning to double-cross him, but not to
worry because he'd be ready... but when the inevitable double-cross
came, Silverthorn got caught off-guard. His overconfidence had made
him complacent.
Ashka may have been extremely arrogant, but one thing she didn't do
was to overestimate herself in that way. She could clearly see when
the odds were against her and would abandon a plan if she saw it
wasn't working. She might have an outburst of temper (especially when
annoyed with a stupid person!) but it would be short lived- she'd vent
her frustration and then move on. She never truly lost control of
herself, whereas I think Silverthorn allowed his temper and his lust
for power to get the better of him. He wanted to control others, but
he lacked self-control. The emotions that made him that bit more human
than Ashka got in his own way sometimes.
An interesting difference I noticed between the two of them was that
Ashka preferred to work solo whenever possible and seemed more
self-sufficient. She used Gryvon sometimes but she preferred to rely
on herself to get a job done and abandoned Gryvon when he was no
longer useful. This was probably due to her being a psychopath (I've
read that they can't form true attachments to other people, they can
only fake it) but also because she grew up relying on herself.
Silverthorn on the other hand was more sociable and was more willing
to get Eddie or his gang members to do things for him, even though
Eddie and Relf were incompetent and messed things up. I guess this
could work either for or against him in a struggle against Ashka. On
the one hand, it would be an advantage to have a loyal armed gang on
his side if Ashka was working alone, but on the other hand, if he was
working with a disloyal idiot like Eddie, then it could end in
disaster! And I could imagine Eddie switching sides in the blink of an
eye if Ashka offered him more money to work for HER (and spill
information about his boss)!
Wonderful!Mark’s words to me were “Your perceptions of GFT are extraordinary”, so yeah, I reckon my theory was correct!!
Exactly!Something I have come to realise over time about Mark’s writing was that everything that happened in the story was very intentionally written- there was always a deep reason why things happened the way they did.
Yes, indeed.he wrote the characters in a way where we the viewers felt we really “got to know them”. I think this was the reason that you (Fanat) felt such a “strong connection” with the characters in Spellbinder.
I watched Spellbinder for the first time in 2000 (season 1) and 2001 (season 2). However, it was not the first broadcast of this show here - the 'original' one apparently took place a few years earlier. When I watched it, there were 4-5 episodes per a week. I remember that they were broadcast from Monday to Friday but sometimes one day was skipped for some reason. Both seasons of Spellbinder are 26 episodes long so watching each of them should have taken about 1.5 months only. Now I think that in fact it took longer, probably 2 or 3 months. My recollections are not quite accurate.Speaking of Spellbinder, how often were the episodes originally broadcast in Russia, Fanat?
It would be very interesting to read it! Please feel free to write about that.Mark had been interested to hear what I thought of it, and because it was lockdown and I had lots of time to write, I ended up writing a lot of very detailed character and plot analysis!In fact I might post some of what I wrote in the Spellbinder related threads on this forum.
Yes, I am!I thought that some of you (Fanat especially) would be interested to read some excerpts from a conversation I had with Mark when we were comparing Silverthorn from TGFT and Ashka from Spellbinder as characters…
I had to think about this question for a while as it’s a complex one!-Would the fact that Jenny/Silverthorn etc would have aged (admittedly by days/weeks) then be returned to their times at uncorresponding points in 1990 or 2500 not have bothered the scientists in the year 3000? e.g Jenny might actually have been aged 14 and 7 weeks at a point when she would have only just been 14 and 3 weeks? Or is that meant to have been part of what the whole issue then was?
I was really curious about this, too!!-That strange line in the dialogue between Draco and Vance about not knowing about being a child (can't quite remember what it was). Was it meant to have been a joke or perhaps a hint that childhood is different in the future?
I think it was just the outdoor scene where Silverthorn’s gang set up the TimeGate and then got arrested.How many scenes in 2500 were actually filmed as exteriors?
I saw them on YouTube on the Twisted Lunchbox channel and I agree with you 100% that the editors absolutely butchered the series!! I also know for a fact that both the writer Mark Shirrefs and the actor John Howard were appalled by the telemovie versions, and I doubt anyone else involved in the making of the show approved of them. It must have been painful to see their hard work chopped up and patched back together like a Frankenstein’s monster!!Has anyone got or seen the (in my opinion) horrendously truncated telemovie/omnibus DVDs? I bought one of Tomorrow's End in Sydney in 2007 and was horrified to discover on watching it that it was am omnibus edition. Other than being an interesting curio, I hated the pacing and the way it had to cut about 60% of the material out.
You’ve asked a lot of questions in one so I’ll try to answer each pointWhat was the reason behind introducing the Time Gate? Aside from the fact it's slightly implausible they'd make the big time machine discovery (which presumably took lots of time!) only to develop a follow-up mere weeks later, why did the writers/production team introduce it? A cool new thing for the second series? It was cheaper to film (cheaper FX)? Or it helped facilitate the vast amount of time travel needed in Tomorrow's End - and they thought multiple Time Capsules would be boring/confusing? Maybe it was to facilitate the entire plot point around transporting the weapons from 1990 to 2500?
In the first episode when Alana is trying to get into the Time Lab and PJ shows her a map of the Science Dome, it’s a large building and the Time Lab room is right at the top. So I think that there were lots of scientists using the building for many different purposes, and time travel was just one of them. Although I imagine that time travel in 3000 was the newest thing and the height of technology, like space travel was in the later half of the 20th century, and a lot of wealth and resources were invested in it (although in Alana’s time, they didn’t use actual money any more). So it makes sense why the Temporal scientists would have the plushest room in the Science dome!Is it addressed at other points what the purpose of the scientists/time capsule lab was other than for the time travel experiment? Or was that the entire purpose of the set-up/their lives' work?
With the Time Capsule, other than specifying a year, how was a specific date and time keyed into the co-ordinates?
I’m not on Facebook but I know that John Howard is on it.Reuniting at least Melissa and Katharine sounds like a no-brainer! Has anyone attempted to do this - they're both on Facebook? Obviously John Howard would be up for it too. Would love to hear from anyone connected to the show!
But if anyone wants to try to organise a reunion,then please, go for it!!As we work freelance in our industry we all go on to other projects and people become unavailable between productions - which is more the shame sometimes.