The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 07 Jun 2024, 07:47

I wondered after I posted last night, did anyone else on this thread also feel sad when the series ended? It was a pity that back in those days, when we didn’t have the internet, we couldn’t find other fans of the show to discuss it with… and I wish I had known, back then, that one day I would be able to get in touch with one of the show’s writers and have long conversations about it, and see exclusive behind the scenes photos!! 😁😁😁

I think I’m probably alone in my reaction to what happened to Silverthorn… 🤣 but if anyone thinks my feelings were over the top, I also remember that in the 1990s, hundreds of teenage girls were in tears and too upset to go to school after Take That split up, and there was even a hotline set up in the U.K. at the time to help those girls cope with their grief!! 🤣 I think it’s normal for teenagers to feel intensely about these things, but I just had more of a niche taste when it came to my choice of teenage crush :red:

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Fanat » 08 Jun 2024, 05:53

I wanted to share my theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer in such a short time
Roja, your theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer is apparently absolutely correct! It explains everything! Did Mark confirm that you are right with this theory?
I don’t know if this was something that has always been obvious to other fans of the show
As for me, I watched TGFT for the first time not so many years ago and I didn't really think about that skill/ability.
Obviously I can now laugh about my intense teenage emotions
Your teenage emotions you're writing about are quite typical so I certainly don't make fun of you for that. :)
I actually already asked Mark about those exact two filming locations
Thank you very much for that! It would be very interesting to know about these locations. Some true fans could even go to that pond and swim there if they are not afraid of Australian reptiles! :D
did anyone else on this thread also feel sad when the series ended?
I had very similar feelings when the last episode of Spellbinder was broadcast(ed?). My friends and I enjoyed this show so much that we felt a strong connection with the story and the characters. It became a part of our lives. When the show came to its end, we felt some kind of devastation. We were happy however that Katrina saved the powersuit scheme into a computer so we hoped that someone would make that powersuit in our world. This by the way is very interesting because I personally have had a logical turn of mind and even back then didn't really believe in parallel worlds (to be more specific, I thought then and I think today that they could really exist - modern cosmology allows it - but it was obvious that travel between them is either impossible or virtually impossible). So, on the one hand, I was more or less realistic about parallel worlds, and on the other hand, I somehow believed that technologies from the other world somehow and somewhere exist or should exist. Today I find it funny, of course. It was something like doublethink, I'd say (but not in terms of G. Orwell).

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 10 Jun 2024, 16:53

Roja, your theory on how Jenny became so skilled at using the Transducer is apparently absolutely correct! It explains everything! Did Mark confirm that you are right with this theory?
Mark’s words to me were “Your perceptions of GFT are extraordinary”, so yeah, I reckon my theory was correct!! 😁

Something I have come to realise over time about Mark’s writing was that everything that happened in the story was very intentionally written- there was always a deep reason why things happened the way they did. It wasn’t like some other kid’s shows where the writing was lazy and there wasn’t much deep thought behind it, and characters would behave inconsistently from one episode to the next.

And that’s something I really love about Mark’s writing- it was entertaining and funny, and you can see he really considered what would go down well with a young audience, AND at the same time there was always a message, and a point, behind why things happened and why characters behaved the way they did. But sometimes (like with Jenny and the Transducer), the reason why things happened wasn’t immediately obvious and I only understood why much later! 😄

The same goes for the reasons why Lorien spent most of Tomorrow’s End moddied (which we discussed a couple of pages back in the thread). It was only after Andrew asked about it that I thought about it more deeply, and I realised the writers intentions for it being this way.

Another thing I loved about Mark’s writing (not only in TGFT, but also in Spellbinder and the other shows he wrote) was the way that he wrote the characters in a way where we the viewers felt we really “got to know them”. I think this was the reason that you (Fanat) felt such a “strong connection” with the characters in Spellbinder.

It was always made very clear what a character’s motivations were. But at the same time, all the characters (at least, the main ones) were multifaceted, so it wasn’t predictable what they would do in situations.

A good example of this was what Mark mentioned in his interview in ‘Making The Girl From Tomorrow’ about Silverthorn being a multifaceted villain. It was obvious from Silverthorn’s very first scene that he was extremely dangerous and violent (roughing up Tulista, blasting holes in the Time lab floor, and attempting to kill Arva!!). But when he resurfaced in 1990 four episodes later, instead of physically attacking Alana, he instead attempted to charm, lie and verbally coerce her into taking his side.

So although Silverthorn was obviously bad, and his agenda was very clear from the word go (power lust, greed and absolute selfishness), he was extremely unpredictable in how he would choose to behave in any given moment. Which made him scarier than if he had been violent in every scene, because for the audience who knew what Silverthorn was like (unlike some of the show’s characters, who hadn’t witnessed the evil he was capable of and had been charmed by him) we knew the potential for Silverthorn harming other characters was always there, ever present under the surface… it was just a question of WHEN he’d do it. Which created a lot of tension whenever he was on screen. You could see why Eddie was scared of him!! 😄

Ashka in Spellbinder was also a multifaceted villain who often used fakery and charm to manipulate people, the most obvious example of this being when she took advantage of Paul’s Dad’s attraction to her, and her charm and manipulation was so effective that Brian believed Ashka over his own son, despite having only just met Ashka!! 😮

And in this aspect of her character- her expertise in psychological manipulation- Ashka went further than Silverthorn could have dreamed. Silverthorn could put on a convincing act for short periods of time, but he was also a sociopath with a hair trigger temper, emotionally unstable, childish and impatient. And at times he would sabotage himself with his own hubris (believing he could outwit Draco, and making impulsive decisions that put himself and his gang in danger). Whereas Ashka was a psychopath who did everything in a very calm, calculated way, and carefully assessed every situation, gathering as much information as she could before her next move.

I had an email conversation about this with Mark years ago (when I was watching Spellbinder for the first time during lockdown) and I wrote that I couldn’t imagine Silverthorn daring to attempt to seduce Irene Kelly!! 🤣 And even if he’d tried, I couldn’t imagine Jenny being as restrained as Paul was in the situation with Ashka and his Dad!! 😁

I wrote to Mark that Jenny would have given Silverthorn a MUCH bigger dose of laxatives… Paul only needed Ashka out of action for an hour or so, but if Jenny had been given the opportunity to vent her wrath on Silverthorn, there would be no way he’d be able to leave the toilet the same day!! 😬😄And Mark agreed with me too!! 🤣

Speaking of Spellbinder, how often were the episodes originally broadcast in Russia, Fanat? 🙂 Once a week?

If so, with both series being 24 episodes long, I imagine the series would feel very long to younger viewers (time seems to pass slower in childhood) so I can understand the fans getting really attached to it and the anticipation during the wait between episodes. (During lockdown I viewed Spellbinder a lot quicker- I would watch an episode most evenings, occasionally two episodes in a row).

TGFT was only half the length of Spellbinder, with 12 episodes in each series, but the BBC showed only one episode a week, so each series was drawn out for over two months. And I vividly remember the tension of the cliffhangers and then what felt like an unbearably long wait to find out what happened next!! 😄

For me as a kid the most nerve wracking storylines I remember were Silverthorn being ill with his brain tumour, Alana’s race against time to get the Capsule back, and Alana’s ordeal of being taken to the children’s home and everyone believing that Alana was mentally ill. She was in such a helpless position that I couldn’t imagine, at the time, how on earth she was going to get home!

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 10 Jun 2024, 22:23

I have just been searching through some old emails me and Mark Shirrefs exchanged during 2020, when I was watching Spellbinder for the first time.

Mark had been interested to hear what I thought of it, and because it was lockdown and I had lots of time to write, I ended up writing a lot of very detailed character and plot analysis! 😄 In fact I might post some of what I wrote in the Spellbinder related threads on this forum. Even though it’s been so long since I watched Spellbinder, I have since forgotten about a lot of the plot details I wrote to Mark about!! 😄 Although I vividly remember all the main characters in Spellbinder, and how I felt about them. Especially my disgust at Sharak’s creepy lust for Princess Aya!!

Anyway, this is the TGFT thread, and the reason I was looking through my emails in the first place was I thought that some of you (Fanat especially) would be interested to read some excerpts from a conversation I had with Mark when we were comparing Silverthorn from TGFT and Ashka from Spellbinder as characters…

I wrote:
I thought it was interesting what Ashka said about "the only opportunities you get in life are the ones you make for yourself".
Because I actually agreed with that line! That was the case in my own life too because I didn't have an easy start in life either, BUT, I don't buy it as a justification for Ashka's actions.
Because once Ashka got the power she fought so hard to get, she had a choice of whether to use that power to do good or to do bad.

She could have used her position as a Spellbinder to help other people who were disadvantaged, as she once was, but instead she hurt innocent people, like the toymaker who she zapped and then banished, and put into a position where HE had no-one and had to fight to survive! And it was this lack of empathy for others that stopped me feeling sympathy for Ashka, although as I have said before, she was a fantastic and very entertaining villain.

You left Ashka's ending a bit ambiguous. Her punishment was similar to the one you gave Silverthorn and Draco in TE, and it sounded as if there was possibly a dinosaur on the horizon in the world where Ashka was left (perhaps this was a world in which dinosaurs never became extinct and lived alongside humans?) but how bad Ashka's fate was was left up to the viewer's imagination.

I was surprised by how calmly Ashka reacted to being stranded because I would have expected her to be more distressed, as Silverthorn was when Alana stranded him with the dinosaurs. I guess the difference was that in Silverthorn's situation, he was told where he was, and he immediately knew that he was screwed forever, which was why he was freaking out and screaming, whereas Ashka's reaction to her predicament was more "I don't know what's out there but I will face it and deal with it."

Also, Ashka had that colder edge to her character than she used to her advantage, and as I said previously, she didn't seem to feel fear. I'm no psychologist but I strongly suspect she was a psychopath.
Silverthorn and Sharak were sociopaths who also lacked empathy and didn't have a conscience, but they showed more emotion than Ashka.
When Sun pretended he'd blown himself up, Sharak hesitated from going into the room and visibly flinched at the sight of the "body" , but Ashka just smirked and said cheerfully "You're going to have to tell his sister". I found her reaction in that scene chilling and I knew then, without a doubt, that there was something seriously wrong with her.
Mark commented:
Your comments about Silverthorn (the sociopath) and Ashka (the psychopath) are spot on. I'm certain that if Silverthorn and Ashka were ever to come up against each other, Silverthorn would lose.
And I responded:
Silverthorn vs Ashka? Oooooh, now there's a crossover I'd be
interested to see! :) But I'm not sure who would win. I think it could
go either way depending on the circumstances- whose world they were
in, what weapons and resources they had available, etc.

Silverthorn would have several advantages over Ashka in that he is
physically bigger and stronger, has superior weaponry (Ashka's power
suit is quite a weapon, but no match for a laser gun that can blast
holes through brick walls) and comes from a world with advanced
technology. So if it was a battle of force I don't think Ashka would
stand a chance against him...

HOWEVER, I think if it came down to a battle of wits and strategy, I
think Ashka would have the edge!

Although Silverthorn is highly intelligent and cunning, he did have
some weaknesses and inadvertently ended up sabotaging himself. I have
previously written about how Ashka was fearless and pushed her luck,
but having said that, when Ashka did take risks, they usually paid
off, so she was being very controlled, deliberate and calculated. But
Silverthorn was more hot-headed and impulsive and often took gambles
in the heat of the moment that were not wise decisions.

I think that like a lot of sociopaths, he failed to consider the
longer-term consequences of his actions and got an adrenaline buzz out
of playing what he called "the game". He was so used to charming
people and lying constantly, I think he actually started to fall for
his own charm and believe his own bluster! Because in Tomorrow's End
he underestimated his enemies and became quite blasé, bragging to
Macro (who rightly warned Silverthorn to be careful and not to trust
Draco) how he knew Draco was planning to double-cross him, but not to
worry because he'd be ready... but when the inevitable double-cross
came, Silverthorn got caught off-guard. His overconfidence had made
him complacent.

Ashka may have been extremely arrogant, but one thing she didn't do
was to overestimate herself in that way. She could clearly see when
the odds were against her and would abandon a plan if she saw it
wasn't working. She might have an outburst of temper (especially when
annoyed with a stupid person!) but it would be short lived- she'd vent
her frustration and then move on. She never truly lost control of
herself, whereas I think Silverthorn allowed his temper and his lust
for power to get the better of him. He wanted to control others, but
he lacked self-control. The emotions that made him that bit more human
than Ashka got in his own way sometimes.

An interesting difference I noticed between the two of them was that
Ashka preferred to work solo whenever possible and seemed more
self-sufficient. She used Gryvon sometimes but she preferred to rely
on herself to get a job done and abandoned Gryvon when he was no
longer useful. This was probably due to her being a psychopath (I've
read that they can't form true attachments to other people, they can
only fake it) but also because she grew up relying on herself.

Silverthorn on the other hand was more sociable and was more willing
to get Eddie or his gang members to do things for him, even though
Eddie and Relf were incompetent and messed things up. I guess this
could work either for or against him in a struggle against Ashka. On
the one hand, it would be an advantage to have a loyal armed gang on
his side if Ashka was working alone, but on the other hand, if he was
working with a disloyal idiot like Eddie, then it could end in
disaster! And I could imagine Eddie switching sides in the blink of an
eye if Ashka offered him more money to work for HER (and spill
information about his boss)!
When I have some more time (I still haven’t answered Andrew’s other questions yet!! 😄) I will read through the rest of my Spellbinder conversations with Mark and post excerpts in the relevant forum threads. 🙂

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Fanat » 11 Jun 2024, 13:54

Mark’s words to me were “Your perceptions of GFT are extraordinary”, so yeah, I reckon my theory was correct!!
Wonderful!
Something I have come to realise over time about Mark’s writing was that everything that happened in the story was very intentionally written- there was always a deep reason why things happened the way they did.
Exactly!
he wrote the characters in a way where we the viewers felt we really “got to know them”. I think this was the reason that you (Fanat) felt such a “strong connection” with the characters in Spellbinder.
Yes, indeed.
Speaking of Spellbinder, how often were the episodes originally broadcast in Russia, Fanat?
I watched Spellbinder for the first time in 2000 (season 1) and 2001 (season 2). However, it was not the first broadcast of this show here - the 'original' one apparently took place a few years earlier. When I watched it, there were 4-5 episodes per a week. I remember that they were broadcast from Monday to Friday but sometimes one day was skipped for some reason. Both seasons of Spellbinder are 26 episodes long so watching each of them should have taken about 1.5 months only. Now I think that in fact it took longer, probably 2 or 3 months. My recollections are not quite accurate.
Mark had been interested to hear what I thought of it, and because it was lockdown and I had lots of time to write, I ended up writing a lot of very detailed character and plot analysis! 😄 In fact I might post some of what I wrote in the Spellbinder related threads on this forum.
It would be very interesting to read it! Please feel free to write about that.
I thought that some of you (Fanat especially) would be interested to read some excerpts from a conversation I had with Mark when we were comparing Silverthorn from TGFT and Ashka from Spellbinder as characters…
Yes, I am! :)

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Roja, all your messages are extremely interesting. I would consider many of them actually essays because you give so much in-depth analysis of the plots, characters, etc. I'm sorry that I don't reply to them at an appropriate level, i.e., matching the depth of your analysis. This is because I have a strict mathematical mind (I'm, by the way, an astrophysicist, and I became interested in physics thanks to Spellbinder) and it's quite difficult for people like me to formulate thoughts in a detailed way on human nature, personality, relationships, and so on. :)

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 11 Jun 2024, 20:06

Thank you for your kind words about my writing, Fanat!! 😊I’m glad that I have found other TGFT fans on the internet that I can share my thoughts with who are interested to read them, even though we are currently a very small community here.🙂

I have hope that maybe more fans will find this forum through search engines, as I know for a fact that there is a whole generation of people who loved the show (although perhaps not as fanatically as we do!! 😄) because TGFT related videos on YouTube and TGFT related Instagram posts have had thousands of views, likes and comments!! But there are few places on the internet where TGFT fans can interact as a community.

Personally I think it is a wonderful thing that humans are so varied in our different “areas of specialisation” (as Alana would say). 🙂 I am very impressed that you are an astrophysicist, wow!! 😮

I had previously wondered if maybe you were a detective, as you did such thorough research about the filming locations and had found out so much information!! 😄 My mind works in a completely different way… I am hopelessly crap at things like maths, but I love art and writing and have a very vivid imagination (maybe too vivid, as I often got told off for daydreaming in school 😄).

How amazing that Spellbinder influenced your career, too!! It reminds me of a story I read years ago on the Official TGFT fan website from a TGFT fan from Malaysia who became completely fascinated by Australia after watching the show as a young boy, and he eventually ended up living there! 😁 These shows have literally changed the course of people’s lives!!

And… I’ve had some MORE thoughts about Silverthorn vs Ashka after re reading my old emails with Mark!! 😄

Another major difference between them was that although they both had the same end goal (absolute power, taking over the world), Silverthorn had a mischievous and playful side to him that Ashka didn’t. Ashka did take a quiet, smug pleasure in her plans succeeding, and in getting away with fooling people, but Silverthorn took a real GLEE in it. He greatly enjoyed putting on an elaborate show of pretending to be Alana’s father in front of Irene and James, effortlessly spinning a convincing web of lies, forcing Alana to lie to them, and topping it all off with a magic trick. And as soon as James, Irene and Jenny were out of earshot, Silverthorn burst out laughing, obviously impressed with his own performance and his ability to manipulate and control the situation. 😈

In contrast, Ashka didn’t enjoy putting on such acts in the same way- when she was surprised by a cleaning lady in the hotel, she quickly came up with a lie about her power suit being a costume for a “festival”, but once the cleaner had left, Ashka sighed in annoyance. From what I can remember (it has been years since I watched Spellbinder, so please correct me if I’m wrong!) the only time Ashka enjoyed putting on an act was when she was deceiving Paul’s Dad in front of Paul. But I think that was because she was enjoying getting back at Paul for all the times he’d got in her way!! And causing Paul distress wasn’t Ashka’s main objective- her focus was using Brian’s science knowledge as a means to an end, with the added bonus of upsetting Paul in the process.

My interpretation was that Ashka wanted absolute power for herself, and everyone else on the planet simply irritated her, and she only teamed up with others if it would help her get where she wanted to be.

Silverthorn on the other hand wanted absolute power for himself, AND an audience to show off his wealth, power, and charming persona to. He enjoyed the positive attention and compliments that he got by pretending to be a “charming gentleman”, and he also thoroughly enjoyed telling elaborate lies, having people being scared of him (I think that threatening a small boy with a laser gun was a bit of an OTT way to deal with a trespasser in his garden 🤣) and winning over as many people as he could. He loved to play games with people.

I don’t think that Ashka gave a damn whether she was hated or liked, so long as she had power. That was the only reason she put on a sweet act in front of the Regents. She had contempt for other people generally, which maybe explains why she wasn’t distraught at the idea of living the rest of her life in an alternate world without other people for company. Whereas being banished to 5 million BC, with only Draco for company, would have been torture for Silverthorn, not only because it was a dangerous time filled with monsters bigger than he was, but because he wouldn’t have anyone else to play with any more. ☹️☹️☹️💔

Draco, I think, was very similar in personality to Ashka (a cold psychopath who found everyone around him annoying) and mentally wouldn’t have been as devastated by his fate as Silverthorn. Obviously he wasn’t happy about it, and he also begged to be let back through the TimeGate, but he didn’t show anywhere near the same panic and desperation as Silverthorn when the gate was about to close.

On the other hand, though, I believe that Silverthorn would physically and instinctively be better at surviving (as in hunting, killing and escaping from predators) than Ashka or Draco, because of his years of experience of being a gang leader in 2500. Draco and Ashka, on the other hand, had lived lives of great privilege, so adjusting to the lifestyle of a hunter-gatherer in a world of dangerous animals would be a bigger challenge for them.

In Tomorrow’s End, I noticed that although nonts (people without ID tattoos) got arrested in 2500, when Draco was in the bath, I saw that he didn’t have ID tattoos either!! Which made me wonder if the Globecorp elite were born into a ruling class where they weren’t subject to the same rules as the general population. I will have to ask Mark about this next time I write to him! 😄

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 26 Jun 2024, 16:37

I have finally got around to answering more of Andrew’s questions!! :yahoo:
-Would the fact that Jenny/Silverthorn etc would have aged (admittedly by days/weeks) then be returned to their times at uncorresponding points in 1990 or 2500 not have bothered the scientists in the year 3000? e.g Jenny might actually have been aged 14 and 7 weeks at a point when she would have only just been 14 and 3 weeks? Or is that meant to have been part of what the whole issue then was?
I had to think about this question for a while as it’s a complex one! 😄

Definitely, the scientists wouldn’t have worried about this problem when they started the Time Travel experiment, as they had not anticipated anyone from the past travelling to the future.

The plan was for Tulista to spend a month in 2500 then return, and any health issues she may have suffered as a result of being exposed to the pollution or radiation could easily be remedied by the healers in the year 3000.

It wouldn’t matter Tulista being biologically one month older when she returned because she was in the present time (from the perspective of it being 3000), and the future hadn’t happened yet, so it would not be altered by Tulista being slightly older.

And, for some reason, up until the moment that Lorien and Bruno witnessed the newspaper headlines from the 1990s having altered after Alana’s time journey, Bruno had held the belief that past events could not be altered!!

The scientists did not forsee Silverthorn hijacking the Capsule and coming back with Tulista to their time, removing himself from his original timeline, and then taking Alana with him to 1990, causing changes to the timeline even further back.

Then, although Alana (having sworn a Healer’s Oath) had a moral duty to bring Jenny and Silverthorn back to 3000 to heal their injuries and save their lives, this act also would have caused changes to past timelines.

Before they made the realisation that their experiments were changing history, the scientists only concern about their visitors from the past was to return them back to their timelines as close as possible to the moment they’d left (so that Jenny’s family would be spared worry.) But as soon as they became aware of the history changes, they were much more vigilant about time travel damage limitation!! 😄

But as you pointed out, there would still be inevitable, irreversible changes made to the characters lives and their original timelines.

Regarding the age thing, I guess it wouldn’t make a lot of difference if a character was just weeks older, as their lifespan when they returned would not be much shorter, but who knows, if they died a month earlier than they were originally supposed to, then they might not have said or done some important things in that month’s time that they would have done in their original timeline.

And your question made me think about the health effects of the time journeys on the various characters which could have made a lot more difference to their lifespan than them simply being a month/weeks/days older!

When the force field exploded, Jenny suffered massive injuries that she wouldn’t have had if Alana had never come to 1990. So that could have shortened her original lifespan… but she then had a complete physical regeneration in the year 3000, which for all I know may have left her body in a healthier condition than before she was injured, lengthening her lifespan. But then Jenny spent a few days in 2500, without a mask, being exposed to all kinds of dangerous, potentially carcinogenic toxins, and getting a chemically infected wound at the waste dump!

And as for Silverthorn, this question becomes even more complicated… 😄

If he had never met Tulista and had remained in 2500 for the rest of his life, then his brain tumour wouldn’t have been cured. The pills he was taking could keep it under control, but they couldn’t get rid of it -it was inoperable even in 2500, and he still suffered from frequent seizures and headaches despite being on medication. So I think if there had been no time travel, then Silverthorn would either have eventually died from his brain tumour, or from other health problems caused by living in a toxic environment.
Or he could have been captured and moddied, which in the long term is a death sentence, because moddies were forced to work with hazardous chemicals without any protective gear. OR he could have met a violent end, lasered by a Globecop or by someone from a rival gang.

And, had Silverthorn not been removed from his original timeline, he also may have killed or injured people who he didn’t kill or injure because he ended up stranded in the past, causing other changes to history in the 26th century!

Also, I’m sure that when Silverthorn was in 3000 being treated for his head injury, the healers would have given him a full body scan and reversed any remaining potentially cancerous damage caused by a lifetime of radiation, pollution and of having to eat bad quality, synthetic food. Which would have increased his lifespan had he returned to 2500 and stayed there.
-That strange line in the dialogue between Draco and Vance about not knowing about being a child (can't quite remember what it was). Was it meant to have been a joke or perhaps a hint that childhood is different in the future?
I was really curious about this, too!! 😄

Vance asked Draco “What’s a Mum?”, and Draco answered that he had no idea.

It could indicate that family structures were different in the year 2500 (they were certainly very different by the year 3000, where children were brought up by guardians and not their biological parents- Alana’s parents lived on Titan and she hadn’t seen them for years, and I don’t know if they even kept in touch with each other!!). Or it could simply just be that the term “Mum” had fallen out of use a long time ago, and children in 2500 used other words to refer to their mothers.

Personally I’m more inclined to think it was simply a language thing, because Nik had a traditional family relationship with his grandmother (and the term “Grandma” was still in use in his time). Also, it was explained in the book version that Nik was raised by his biological parents before they were moddied by Globecorp.

There is a scene in the book where Jenny sees a hologram recording of Nik’s parents playing with Nik as a baby. So at least for ordinary people in 2500, I believe that family structures were similar to how they are today, although I have no idea what childhood was like for members of the Globecorp elite like Draco.

I would have been very interested to have found out more about society in their time, but I guess there wasn’t enough time for it to be delved into more deeply within the time limitations of a 12 episode series.

By the way, I still laugh every time I watch the scene in the first series when Jenny introduces Irene to Alana for the first time and Alana says to Irene “Hello, Mum!” (Believing that “Mum” was Irene’s name).🤣🤣🤣
How many scenes in 2500 were actually filmed as exteriors?
I think it was just the outdoor scene where Silverthorn’s gang set up the TimeGate and then got arrested.

There was another scene that appeared as if it might have been shot outdoors- when Draco met Silverthorn and told him his plan to take over Globecorp, but I’m not sure. It may have been shot inside the giant warehouse set and been made to APPEAR as if it was outdoors when actually it wasn’t. I originally assumed the waste dump scene (where Jenny cut her leg) was filmed outdoors, but then in the background I saw parts of the indoor set (like the Globecorp poster) and I realised it had been filmed inside the warehouse set.
Has anyone got or seen the (in my opinion) horrendously truncated telemovie/omnibus DVDs? I bought one of Tomorrow's End in Sydney in 2007 and was horrified to discover on watching it that it was am omnibus edition. Other than being an interesting curio, I hated the pacing and the way it had to cut about 60% of the material out.
I saw them on YouTube on the Twisted Lunchbox channel and I agree with you 100% that the editors absolutely butchered the series!! I also know for a fact that both the writer Mark Shirrefs and the actor John Howard were appalled by the telemovie versions, and I doubt anyone else involved in the making of the show approved of them. It must have been painful to see their hard work chopped up and patched back together like a Frankenstein’s monster!!

I also feel very sorry for the viewers who only saw the telemovie versions and didn’t get to experience the full series because they missed out on so much!! ☹️☹️😣

However, I have one -ONE!! 😄 -positive comment about the telemovie version of the first series, which made sitting through it worthwhile, and that was seeing that it included a scene and lines that were cut from the final episode of the complete series. It showed Jenny and Alana inside the Capsule just after it had returned to the year 3000, and Alana was reassuring Jenny “It’s alright”. So that was a nice surprise for me, to see a cut scene that I never knew existed for the first time. 🙂
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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 26 Jun 2024, 17:25

By the way, Fanat, when you mentioned how Spellbinder made you interested in physics, and you are now an astrophysicist, it made me remember THIS story about a boy in London who decided he wanted to become a screenwriter after he saw TGFT…

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/the-show ... 15.article

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Post by Roja » 28 Jun 2024, 17:47

I’m back again to answer the rest of Andrew’s questions. I’m sorry it’s taken me so long, but at the same time, I’m glad that I took the time to answer them in detail because I love talking about the show! 😄
What was the reason behind introducing the Time Gate? Aside from the fact it's slightly implausible they'd make the big time machine discovery (which presumably took lots of time!) only to develop a follow-up mere weeks later, why did the writers/production team introduce it? A cool new thing for the second series? It was cheaper to film (cheaper FX)? Or it helped facilitate the vast amount of time travel needed in Tomorrow's End - and they thought multiple Time Capsules would be boring/confusing? Maybe it was to facilitate the entire plot point around transporting the weapons from 1990 to 2500?
You’ve asked a lot of questions in one so I’ll try to answer each point 😄

About Bruno inventing the Time Gate, my personal theory is that he was working on both inventions at the same time.

I haven’t seen a lot of sci fi aside from TGFT (although I did enjoy the sci fi comedy Red Dwarf in the 90s) but a friend who is very into sci fi once explained to me that time travel is only possible if a time machine can travel faster than the speed of light. So it would require an EXTREME amount of power to be capable of reaching that speed. And it was mentioned in TGFT/TE many times how much power the Capsule needed.

In the first episode, Tulista said that they needed to divert power from an orbiting power station to operate the Capsule. And in TE, the Capsule ran out of power after just a few time journeys.

With this in mind, I believe it’s plausible that at the same time Bruno was working on the Capsule- which I imagine took years, because as well as being a time machine, the Capsule also had a complex built in computer with an extensive memory bank of historical information, and was equipped with technology that could synthesise water and protein- he was wishing there was a simpler way to travel through time, and had his plans for the TimeGate in development.

The TimeGate required much less power to operate because it wasn’t a vehicle that physically left one time zone and exploded into another. The TimeGate physically remained in the time zone where it was plugged in, and it was just the energy field that appeared in the destination time zone (this was why it couldn’t be shut down from the other side).

But inventing a simple doorway capable of generating a massively powerful energy field was a difficult challenge! Remember when Silverthorn asked Macro if they could build their own TimeGate and Macro replied “I’m not sure… we’ll either have a time machine or an energy field that’ll fry most of Sydney”? So by the time the Capsule was ready to make its first journey with a human, Bruno was on the way to making a breakthrough with the TimeGate, but he wasn’t quite there yet.

Also, Bruno had only completed the TimeGate DESIGN at the beginning of the second series-he had not yet built it and tested whether it worked. We know that the Time Capsule was first safety tested with rats and monkeys before Tulista was allowed to use it, so I imagine that the scientists would have tested the TimeGate on animals too… but Silverthorn was much hastier with the TimeGate he built, and took the ultimate risk of testing it on himself!!

As a plot device, I thought that having two different time machines, each with their own pros and cons, made the show much more exciting because there were so many possibilities and so MANY time journeys (because the TimeGate didn’t require recharging, they just plugged it in).

I thought the idea of Silverthorn stealing the TimeGate plans was great writing because it meant that the bad guys had their own Time Machine (having failed to steal the Capsule), which gave them a huge and frightening advantage for a long time. And the simpler design of the TimeGate meant that the gang were able to build it very quickly, which they wouldn’t have been able to if Silverthorn had stolen the plans for a Time Capsule. Plus, I don’t think the technology in 2500 was up to the level of building a Capsule!! 😄

And also, as you already pointed out, the nuclear weapons were too big to be transported to 2500 in a Time Capsule.

Having an energy doorway also allowed Silverthorn’s gang to pump cast quantities of water through it- as well as Jenny and Petey to be sucked into 2500 without being noticed!! So the writers had to come up with a different kind of Time Machine to allow them to have a story where all those things could happen.

I have no idea which time machine’s special FX were cheaper to film.

An interesting bit of info about the TimeGate was that originally (in the book version) it was supposed to be an oval shaped portal, and looked very different to the design in the show:
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And this was Alana’s opinion of Macro and Silverthorn’s craftsmanship:
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Personally I think describing it as an “artless metal doorway” was very harsh, and I thought the TimeGate that the gang built (at least, what we saw in the show) was quite beautiful. 🤣 I was really impressed that they were skilled enough to manage to build a TimeGate with 26th century components!! 😁 And, I also thought that Silverthorn was VERY clever in the first series managing to build functional force field generators from 31st century plans using components from A THOUSAND YEARS earlier!! 😄

Anyway, back to the questions…
Is it addressed at other points what the purpose of the scientists/time capsule lab was other than for the time travel experiment? Or was that the entire purpose of the set-up/their lives' work?
In the first episode when Alana is trying to get into the Time Lab and PJ shows her a map of the Science Dome, it’s a large building and the Time Lab room is right at the top. So I think that there were lots of scientists using the building for many different purposes, and time travel was just one of them. Although I imagine that time travel in 3000 was the newest thing and the height of technology, like space travel was in the later half of the 20th century, and a lot of wealth and resources were invested in it (although in Alana’s time, they didn’t use actual money any more). So it makes sense why the Temporal scientists would have the plushest room in the Science dome! 😄

I imagine that the Time Lab had existed for many years while the research into time travel and the technology was being developed. And that Temporal Science would have been a specialist field/career that people chose to do. In Alana’s time, children trained from an early age for the role in society they would have- everyone had their “area of specialisation”.
With the Time Capsule, other than specifying a year, how was a specific date and time keyed into the co-ordinates?

The Capsule had some kind of keypad or sensors in its ceiling which I saw Tulista and Lorien activating with their fingers to key in the coordinates. But the Capsule could also be voice activated, like when Nik -who had never previously operated it-told it to travel to 2pm on February 27th, 1990.
Reuniting at least Melissa and Katharine sounds like a no-brainer! Has anyone attempted to do this - they're both on Facebook? Obviously John Howard would be up for it too. Would love to hear from anyone connected to the show!
I’m not on Facebook but I know that John Howard is on it.

I think that if a cast reunion is ever to happen, for logistical reasons it would be better if it was organised by fans in Australia.

Also, organising an in person reunion might be too complicated or expensive, and in that case Zoom may be a better option. Australia (as you already know, Andrew) is such a massive country, and the cast could be living thousands of km apart by now. Plus because people in the entertainment industry have such varied schedules (someone could be getting up at 4am to work on a film set, while someone else could be doing evening performances at a theatre) it can be very difficult to get them together.

I’m not saying all this to be negative, though!! 🙂It was just something that occurred to me after the production designer Nick McCallum told me about how he hadn’t been in touch with other people who he worked with on TGFT or Spellbinder for many years. Because even though they had a very enjoyable working relationship, after those shows were finished, they all went their separate ways to work on other projects and didn’t get to see each other again.

Nick wrote:
As we work freelance in our industry we all go on to other projects and people become unavailable between productions - which is more the shame sometimes.
But if anyone wants to try to organise a reunion,then please, go for it!! 🙂

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Re: The Girl from Tomorrow (TV series)

Post by Roja » 01 Jul 2024, 11:10

Hi again,

Since I wrote my previous post I watched episode 6 of Tomorrow’s End again, and I now think that the waste dump scene and the scene where Draco and Vance met Silverthorn by the water WERE filmed outdoors. I say this because the sky looked real in those scenes. I’m now wondering if the big warehouse where the indoor 2500 sets were filmed had outdoor grounds and they built some outdoor sets there?

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